EQAO is broken and Ford government can't be trusted to fix it: former EQAO chair

Ontario's English Catholic teachers start,today, a work-to-rule campaign that will include a refusal to administer the province's standardized EQAOtest.

Education minister Stephen Lecce said school boards can delay the grade 9 EQAO math test that was supposed to happen this week. He'shoping students will take the test in June.

Teachers also won't besupervising extracurricular activities or field trips but one EQAO expert says this could be the perfect storm that ends up killing the EQAO test.All of this has raised questions about the future of EQAO, its role and who, if anyone, it still serves.Charles Pascal was deputy education minister when EQAO was started. He hasserved as EQAO's chair and is a professor at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education.

Hespoke with the CBC's Conrad Collacoabout the test, its value and its future. You can read an abridged and edited version of the interviewor listen to the full audio interview by hitting the play button above.

Charles Pascal, educator, former deputy education minister

What were educators hoping that this standardized test would achieve?

In other wordsit was designed to be a positive source of information, not the only source of information but a single source of information. When it was used positively principals and teachers get together they look at the results. They compare themselves to last year and they sit around and say,'so what should we doto improve those results?'Unfortunately, there have been lots of unintended consequences where the whole process and the results have been misused.

We have real estate agents that,basically, say 'buy this house because it's so close to this school that just performed really high on EQAO results.'

Buyer beware. You don't know whether that school has been on the upswing in terms of year-over-year comparisons or not. Newspapers and the well-known Western machine of misinformation, the Fraser Institute, have beenranking schools. The data wasnever meant for school rankings to compare schools to schools. It wasmeant to compare a school to itself year-over-year and that starts putting pressure on the school leaders and principals and teachers. And therein lies I think one of the biggest sources of irritation for the federations and many of the teachers they represent now. On the other hand context is very important. And in this case we have a government that, a year ago, appointed you mentioned that I was chair. Iwas chair for about a year or so during which I earned about twelve hundred dollars of compensation for travel and the government about a little over a year ago appointed a failed candidate for Mr. Ford's partyunqualified to take on a newly created full-time $140,00 a year chairmanship.

No chair before that had ever received anything other than a modest stipend, as I mentioned. And so the unfortunate irony is that the CEO andchiefstatistician who, when this appointment was made, were in the process of modernizing EQAO trying to deal with all these unintended consequences. And I'm not sure it's an accident,maybe it's a coincidence, that these two remarkable change agents recently left to go to other positions in the field of education. Context isimportant.

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It can be used to catch the schools doing things wrong rather doing things right. So, this could be a perfect storm where, because of the federation's view EQAO and how the government has been treating EQAO and going forward this may be time to put EQAO on ice then reinvent itdown the road. There aredifferent things to be done to improve it with less cost. And in the meantime emphasize the most important source of information about how students are doing and that is the high quality feedback the teachers provide and should provide students in every subject. Day by day, week by week, month by month. And finally, it's interesting to note in Finland, which usually scores at the top internationally in terms of education performance,they have no national testing program.

They emphasize continuous quality feedback to students as the most important vehicle for improving student performance and student success. As somebody who wasinvolved in developing under the previous government's auspice, if you will, what it was intended to dogiven what I think is this perfect storm, I think EQAO is seriously threatened and maybe it's time to put it on ice.

I've spoken with many teachers whoget pressure from their principal over EQAO. They say the testforcesthem to teach to that test rather than to the needs of the specific students in their class. Whatissues do you seecausing problems for teachers and students because of the way the EQAOtest is being run right now?

Well, first of all when people say teachers are just teaching to the test, it simply isn't a truism.

The EQAOtests are based on evaluating the Ontario curriculum outcomes.So, teachers are teaching all of the subjects against the backdrop of the Ontario curriculum.That's all they're doing. Teaching to the test implies they're doing something special to get a great outcome.

But I'm quite sympathetic to the pressure that some principals and superintendents and teachers feel when schools are compared and they're not supposed to be compared. Again the irony is these things werein the process of being dealt with through this modernization.

I will reveal this. Back in the day when the government of the day was looking at what to do with provincial testing my personal recommendation: I had just come back from the OECD. I was Canada's deputy minister representative to their education committee. Atough assignment. Had to go toParis a couple of times a year.

And I came back and my suggestion to that government over there was to develop a random selection of schools from around the province. Control for geography, urban and rural, French, English, Catholic, public and then do a random selection of students within those schools. Ask their parents to provide permission sothose kids could go, from time to time, and take some tests and actas consultants to the ministry.

So, if inHamilton and Kapuskasing andThunder Bay and Mississauga, through that random approach, are not performing well on something, it's not their fault.

This has all been a randomized situation and there's a problem with a particular performance in this particular module in math then you get together curriculum experts and you look at the teaching of it and you try to fix it.And so what's being tested, clearly, aren't individual schools. What's being tested is the Ontario curriculum and how to improve it. It could be done at much less cost than what we're doing right now. But this has to be invented or reinvented by a governmentthat actually wants to seriously improve the quality of education Ontario.

It'sa tool that, in this context, doesn't look as though it will carry a promise for improving education when in fact the last nine months we've seen anything other than an interest on this government about how to go about improving the quality of education. Quite the contrary. And that leads us back to the labour negotiations which are difficult because Ontario students, parents and neighbours all know what's happened in the classroom. This isn'thypothetical about what's going on at the bargaining table. Things have already happened regarding class sizes and the loss of courses for grades eleven and twelve students required for entry into a particular college or university program. Everybody's living with the damage has already been done. EQAO in the hands of this particular government, under the leadership of a crony which has led to departures of key people who were modernizing EQAO well this was a perfect storm for to put it on ice andreinvent itsomewhere down the road when there's a government that actually wants to improve the quality of education in Ontario.