Where and when you're most likely to get dinged by photo radar

If you want to avoid amobile photo-radar ticket, don't go anywhere near Grant Avenue and ThursoStreet.

You may also want to avoid driving during the afternoon rush hour anywhere in Winnipeg, particularly on Wednesdays.

A CBC News analysis of 22,737 mobile photo-radar tickets handed out over a four-month period in 2016found the City of Winnipeg dinged more motorists for speeding on Grantat Thurso than at any other location in the city, more motorists on Wednesdays than on any other day of the week, and more drivers between 4 and 5 p.m. than during any other hour.

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Geographically, Grant atThurso a stretch that runs alongside Grant Park Shopping Centre is the easiest place to get a ticket. A total of 2,916 motorists were nailed by mobile photo-radar equipment for driving faster than 50 kilometres an hour at this River Heightsintersectionfrom Jan. 1 to May 1, 2016.

"That one fools a lot of people, my family included. I believe my own wife got a ticket there," Winnipeg police Chief DannySmythsaid Thursday.

"It's [near] a school,but Grant is one of those corridors that people tend to travel more like 60 along, so yeah, that one seems to catch a lot of people."

River Heights-Fort Garry Coun. John Orlikow, whose ward includes the offending intersection, said the city needs to do something to mitigate the number of speeding tickets along this section of Grant Avenue.

"Maybe it's increasing the speed limit. Maybe it's more signage. Maybe it's more engineering to the street," Orlikow surmised Thursday.

Last June, he presented a motion that would require the city to flag thetop twolocations where violations occur each year. He said the goal is for Public Works and the police topropose measures to reduce speeding and increase safety, rather than leaving the locations unaddressed, allowing them to continue generatingtickets.

In 2003, the public works department recommended increasing the speed along this stretch from 50 to 60 kilometres an hour. A studyfound the natural speed formost motorists was between 61 to 68along the route and found the collision rate to be in line with other regional streets.

"Furthermore, it is expected that making these changes to the speed limit at these locations will ... provide motorists travellingalong these routes with a more consistent driving environment in terms of uniformity in speed limits," said the report's author.

However, a motion rejecting the recommendationby then-councillor for River Heights-Fort Garry Garth Steek was carried, effectively freezing the speed at 50.

But the 50-an-hour speed zone at Grant andThursoactually is ananomaly,when it comes to places where mobile photo radar nabsthe most motorists.

The mobile photo radar data, obtained byCBCNews after an 18-month freedom-of-information dispute, reveals most motorists are caught in30 km/h zones.

Seven of the top 10 stretches of road where drivers were caught during the sample periodhad 30 km/h speed limits, while atotal of 61 per cent of the tickets were generatedin 30 km/h zones.

Police Chief Smythsaid he's not surprised. Provincial legislation gives police no choice but to direct their mobile photo radar contractors to set up their equipment around schools,playgrounds or construction zones, he said.

"There's a cynicism behind this program, because we're limited to these areas,"Smythsaid."People get upset about that, that it always seems to be those 30 kilometrezones atthe schools."

Smyth said the police would like to place mobile photo radar onregional streets where conventional photo enforcement operations would endanger officers.

"I certainly would like to have greater flexibility to be able to deploy in some of these high-speed corridors," Smyth said.

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It is not safe for police to stand out in streets with vehicles whizzing by at 80 kilometres an hour, he said, adding many good candidates for mobile photo radar regional roads such as Chief PeguisTrail, Bishop GrandinBoulevard and the southern extension of Kenaston Boulevard either didn't existwhen mobile photo radar arrived in Winnipeg or weren't busy enough to warrant the enforcement measure.

Smythsaid he's spoken to Infrastructure Minister Ron Schuler about the possibility of expanding the locations where mobile photo radar can operate.

The lobby group Wise Up Winnipeg would like the province to tighten the reins on the program, rather than expand it.

Wise Up founder Todd Dubeclaims the police have never demonstrated photo radar improves safety on Winnipeg's roads and claims the mobile program was designed to maximize revenue.

The large number of tickets handed out in 30 km/hzones is a perfect example, he said.

"It's unnaturally slow and prudent drivers find themselves exceeding that unnatural speed limit, especially in the city of Winnipeg, because unlike other cities, we don't even have the accompanying yellow flashing lights you find in other [cities'] school zones," Dube said Thursday in a telephone interview.

"In Winnipeg, they're as stealthy as possible, so it comes as no surprise why tickets are through the roof. And that's never going to change," he said. "It's simply a stealthyprogram, and they know very well that'sthe case."

Underan agreementbetween the city and the province, the police are required to submit an annual report on the program's activities. This includes acontrolled study evaluating how photo enforcement modifies speeding behaviour and an analysis of the effect of photo enforcementon safety over time.

However, none of the annual reports submitted by the police contain thisrequired information.

Winnipeg Mayor Brian Bowman rejected the notion mobile photo radar is a cash grab.

"It's the responsibility of all drivers to know what the speed limit is and to obey the law. The best answer if you don't want to pay for speeding tickets and to slow down," he said.

Dubesaid politicians always trot out these sorts of lines.

"You know, 'Slow down, save the kids, if you don't want a ticket, just slow down.It's empty rhetoric, but it's an easy sell."

How we got the data

In May 2016, CBC News filed a freedom-of-information request for four-months worth of mobile-enforcement data. A month later, the Winnipeg Police Service rejected the request on the basis the records belonged to a third party, mobile-enforcement contractor ACS Public Sector Solutions.

In July 2016, CBC News complained to the Manitoba ombudsman, arguing the deal between the police and ACSclearly indicated the city owns the records and can have access to them at any time.

• Police release photo-radar locations after complaint to ombudsman

With the help of the ombudsman, the police in December 2016released a disc of information without any mobile-enforcement locations. The police claimed that informationwould jeopardize the safety of photo radar operators.

CBC News complained again and the police released a new disc in October 2017.

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