Despite decline in ticket sales, the Winnipeg Jets have never lost money, True North says

The company that owns the Winnipeg Jets says it'snever lost money since the NHL returned to Winnipeg in 2011, not even during a recent downturnin ticket sales at Canada Life Centre.

True North Sports & Entertainmenthas turned a profit onits combined hockey, arena and merchandisingoperations every year the NHL has been in Winnipeg,executive chair Mark Chipman said during a wide-ranging interview about the economics of operating a professional sportsfranchise in the smallest market in the National Hockey League.

As a privately held company, True North does not post its financial statements, leaving business publications such as Forbes magazine to speculate about the team's profits and losses.

True North has lost money on hockey operations alone, but has not ended up in the red overall since the former Atlanta Thrashers moved to Winnipeg in 2011 to become the Winnipeg Jets, Chipman said in the interview.

"From an overall perspective, no, we've never lost money in our NHL years. Previous years we did," Chipman said earlier this month, speaking ina boardroom at True North's offices in downtown Winnipeg.

While ticket sales for the Jets, Manitoba Moose, concerts and other events at Canada Life Centre make up the most important revenue source for True North, merchandising, broadcast rights and other revenue streams keep the company in the black, he said.

So does revenue-sharing within the NHL, as well as the league-mandated salary cap that limits team spending on the rosters to $83.5 million this year.

Chipman said the NHL would never have returned to Winnipegwithout revenue sharing and the salary cap.

"This market would not survive without that, andthat's a fact," he said, adding those revenue assumptions underlined the original decision to pursue the return to the NHL.

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Mark Chipman says his company, True North Sports and Entertainment, has never lost money given all its revenue streams, including ticket sales, merchandising, broadcast rights and revenue sharing within the league. He adds True North's profits have been reinvested into the Canada Life Centre.

Economic impacts and government subsidies

According tofigures published by True North last week, the various arms of the company haveinvested$1.6 billion in downtown Winnipeg real estate since 2004.True Northcontributes $616 million a year to the municipal and provincial economy, as well as $133 million to tax coffers at all three levels of government every year, the company states.

True North also receives municipal and provincial tax subsidies, which include a $576,000 property-tax break on Canada Life Centre, a $246,000 business tax refund, and the ability to collect approximately $6.5 million worth of entertainment taxes on events at the arena.

True North is also eligible to receive revenue from 140 gaming machines at the Shark Club inside Cityplace mall, under a provincial funding deal created by the former Greg SelingerNDP government tohelp True North survive future economic challenges.

Whilethe province expected the gaming revenue to average approximately$5.5 million a year, Chipman saidactual revenue from the Shark Clubhas beencloser to $2.5 million a year, on average.

"It was never a guaranteed source of revenue," Chipmansaid. "It never went into the Jets P&L [profit and loss statement]. It always resided inside the building and it wasdirected at paying down debt.

"We thought it was important that we pay down as much debt as we could."

Chipman said True North has never taken a distribution from any profits it's realized since the NHL returned. Instead, he said, all of the team's profits have been reinvested into Canada Life Centre: $83 million since 2011, according to figures published by True North last week.

"We've almost invested as much in renovations as we have building it," he said, referring to a $133.5-million construction project conducted in 2003 and 2004.

"We don't look at it like a garden-variety business. You've probably heard us use the word stewards or trustees. Like, it's true. We own it because somebody has to own it, but it doesn't really belong to us."

Franchise values rising

Viewed from a long-term perspective, the Winnipeg Jets don't have to produce financial dividends in a league where franchise values are rising.

True North paid $170 million US to purchase the Atlanta Thrashers in 2011. Forbes magazine estimatedthe value of the Winnipeg Jets franchise at $780 million before news emerged last week that a prospective Salt Lake City NHL owner is willing to pay $1.2 billion for the Arizona Coyotes franchise.

"A lot of these owners get involved in their teamsbecause they want the value of the club for resale someday," said Glen Hodgson, an Ottawa economist who specializes in professional sports.

Nonetheless, Chipman's comments about reinvesting profits are significant, considering skepticismexists about True North among elements of the Winnipeg Jets' fanbase.

In recent years, some vocal fans have claimedChipman and True North are solely interested in extracting profit from ticket-buying fans. Some wereoutraged in February when Chipman told The Athletic there would be consequences if the season-ticket base did not return to 13,000 seats from its current level of about 9,500.

"This place we find ourselves in right now, it's not going to work over the long haul. It just isn't," Chipman told The Athletic, prompting speculation the team owner was threatening to relocate the Jets.

Chipman insists his comment was poorly elucidated, and that he intended to say True North cannot continuespending close to thesalary cap every year without selling more tickets to Jets games.

"In order to win, in order for fans to be engaged, you rightfully have to be doing everything you think you can to win," he said.

No fan of teardowns and rebuilds

Chipman went on to say that's why he was no fan of dismantling the core of this team last summer, as some hockey observers expected general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff to do, given former forward Pierre-Luc Dubois's desire to leave Winnipeg and the pending expiration of contracts for centre Mark Scheifele and goalie Connor Hellebuyck.

Instead of trading all three star players for draft picks, Cheveldayofftraded Duboisto Los Angeles for Gabriel Vilardi,Alex Iafallo and Rasmus Kapuri, adding more depth to the Jets' lineup as a result. Scheifele and Hellebuyck signed long-term contracts.

The 2023-24 Jets, which many hockey analysts expected to miss the playoffs, are now destined for a first-round playoff fight against the Colorado Avalanche.

Chipman strongly suggested he is no fan oftearing apart an NHL rosterand rebuilding it.

"I've learned from people in this business who've been invaluable with their advice in terms ofthe fallacy of tearing down a team," he said. "I would challenge people to show me just what a rebuilding is.How do you do that?"

The Boston Bruins, he noted, did not engage in ateardown following their Stanley Cup win in 2011 and have been back to the Cup final twice since then.

"For the longest time, they kept [Patrice] Bergeron and [Brad] Marchand and on and on. They kept their core," he said.

Chipman insists True North is doing everything it can to win a Stanley Cup.

"Our singular purpose is to try and win.I wouldn't have got into this businessif I didn't think that was achievable," he said.

"Believe me, I'm not trying toelicit any sympathy for anybody who's got themselves into this for a living, butit's a difficult business and it's really difficult to win.

"But I love that about it. I love the fact that we're the smallest market and then we get up every morning trying to compete against, you know, great big enterprises that have more resources, so we're trying to win."

Underdog mentality legitimate

The underdog mentality is legitimate, Hodgson said.

"Winnipeg was already challenged to begin with. It's by far the smallest market in the NHL. It's a long way from any other place. It has the smallest building," he said.

But Chipman said he is convinced Winnipeg is a large enough city, and possesses sufficient affluenceto sustain anNHL franchise and succeed on the ice.

As evidence, he notes the Winnipeg Jets have won more regular-season gamesthan any other Canadian NHL team 517as of an April 13 drubbing of Colorado since the league returned to Winnipeg in 2011.

Chipman also finds himself with a fair degree of influence in the NHL. He now sits on the executive committee ofthe league's board of governors, which dictates policy direction for the broader group of NHL owners.

He attributes his presence on that committee as a matter of representation.

"I think it was more just anod to the way we are operating, and perhapsthe idea that it made sense to have one of the smallest markets represented," he said.

"I have to believe that's had something to do with itthat they try and spread out the influence acrossthe league."