Immigration takes centre stage at Quebec English-language leaders debate

Immigration policy, once again, featured as a key issue in Quebec'selection campaignas Liberal Leader Philippe Couillard and his chief rivalFranois Legault, the leader of Coalition Avenir Qubec, sparred repeatedly at Monday's historic English-language debate.

It was the firsttelevised debate in English between Quebec's political leaders, with two weeks left before Quebecers go to the pollsOct. 1.

Theshowdown came at a crucial moment in the 39-day race, after no clear winner emerged from last week's French-language debate andLegault, the front-runner, fumbled questions about his party's immigration platform over the weekend.

Couillard repeatedly took aim atLegault's plan to cut the number of immigrants by more than 20 per cent, to 40,000 a year, and to imposeFrench-languageand values tests on new arrivals.

"I have never heard a political leader in Quebec, ever, recommend not only diminishing the number of immigrants we take in, but proposing expulsion tests for immigrants, which made them very, very frightened today," Couillard said.

"Your policy is not acceptable," he told Legault at another point in the debate.

The CAQ leader countered that the current immigration policy isn't workingbecause too many new arrivals 26 per cent, he said are leaving the province.

"Twenty-six per cent leaving is a failure," he said, pointing a finger at Couillard.

"What we think at the CAQ is that it's better to take less but give each of them more services," Legault said.

Parti Qubcois Leader Jean-Franois Lise, who was clearly the most comfortable in his second language, slammed both of his main rivals, telling Couillard:"You talk a good talk, but your track record is dismal."

Lise said the Couillard government hasn't invested enough in integrating and teaching French to immigrants.

But Legault's approach makes even less sense, he said.

"You would scare them away," Lise told Legault. "You know so little about immigration."

Manon Mass, whose left-leaning Qubec Solidaireappears poised to make gains on Oct. 1,was the least comfortable in English and, at times, struggled to articulate her platform.

In a question from a Nigerian refugee, who asked about the challenges of finding a job as an English speaker, she made reference to her own difficulties.

"It's hard to learn a new a language," she said. "With real investment in French-language training, I think that will help."

Costing pre-kindergarten

The debate touched on six main subjects: education, health, the economy, the environment, identityand relations with English-speakingQuebecers.

The leaders picked up on many of thekey talking points they have been stressing throughoutthe campaign.

The challenges of keepinganglophonesin the province and turning out fully bilingual young people ready for the Quebec workforce disintegratedinto a shouting match betweenCouillardand Legaultover who could do a better job of bookkeeping.

Couillardargued thatLegault'sproposal to open pre-kindergarten classrooms across the province for allfour-year-olds was unrealistic.

TheCAQmaintains the plan would cost $311 million and open 50,000 spots in publicdaycare.

"You didn't cost it,"said Couillard, a retired neurosurgeon."You vastly underestimated the cost in your financial statement."

Legaultreplied: "You're a doctor. I'm a chartered accountant.I think I know the numbers better than you."

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Specialists under spotlight

On a question about access to health care in English in the regions, Legault again hammered away at Couillard for his government's deal with specialists, who now earn more than their counterparts in Ontario.

The CAQ leader said the money spent on that agreement should have gone to improving care, especially outside Montreal.

"That's where the money went in health care to the specialists," Legault said.

"You could not tear this agreement apart," Couillard said in defence, countering that the agreement had ensured specialists would be available in rural areas.

For his part, Lise suggested the comparison between specialist salaries in Quebec and "Doug Ford's Ontario" is moot.

"We want Quebecers to decide how much they should be paid," he said.

Lise said a PQ government would ensure English-speakers have access to care.

That was echoed by Couillard, who said his government's recently formed secretariat for anglophone issues aims to ensure access to health care services in English.

Lise referred to the speech he "famously wrote" for Lucien Bouchard in the former PQ premier's historic meeting with anglophoneQuebecers at the Centaur Theatre in 1996.

"Mr. Bouchard said when you're in pain, when you get to the hospital, you don't need a language test, you need a blood test."

"That was a good speech," Couillard interjected, laughing, prompting a smile from the PQ leader the first hint of the evening that the PQ and the Liberal leaders see themselves as allies in the fight to wrest votes from the CAQ's Legault.

Wage gap vs. labour shortage

When discussion turned to the economy and Quebec's high income tax burden,the CAQ leader said a critical problem is the persistent wage gap between workers in Ontario and Quebec.

"This gap of 11 per cent was there 15 years ago, and it hasn't changed," said Legault.

"The main economic challenge facing Quebec today is not salary," snapped Couillard in response. "It's [the] labour shortage which Mr. Legault refuses to recognize exists."

There will be one more leaders debate in French, later in the week before the vote.

Polls suggestthe CAQ is in majority territory, buoyed by its popularity among francophones.

The Liberals are second in the polls, followed by the Parti Qubcois and Qubec Solidaire.

CBC Quebec presented thedebate, inpartnership with CTV, Global, CJAD, Citytv and the Montreal Gazette.

With files from Canadian Press

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