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WindsorThe Real Cost of EVs

The government wants you to own an electric vehicle but who can even afford them?

Windsor is a future home for electric vehicle (EV) and battery production, but data shows people in the southwestern Ontario city can't afford to buy them.

Windsor is a future home for EV manufacturing, but numbers show many in the Ontario city can't afford them

James Godfrey manages the Eastway Toyota and Lexus dealership in Windsor.
James Godfrey, who manages the Eastway Toyota and Lexus of Windsor dealership, says conversations with customers on a budget are 'real tough' these days if they're looking to buy a vehicle, especially if it's electric. (Katerina Georgieva/CBC)

This is the first in a three-part series, The Real Cost of Electric Vehicles, diving into the future of electric vehicles and how electrification will impact Windsor-Essex. Tomorrow, we'll look at the environmental impact of the change, and on Thursday, the impact on jobs in Windsor-Essex.


As both the government and automakerspush to make car owners transition to electric vehicles (EVs), astronomical prices threaten to make that out of reach for many Canadians.

That means while the federal government wantsevery passenger vehicle sold in Canada to beelectric by 2035, unless the prices become more reasonable for the average consumer, it might not be a realistic expectation.

James Godfrey, general manager at Eastway Toyota and Lexusof Windsor, says electric vehicles a promise on the near horizon of buyers everywhere are sold atmuch higher price points than internal combustion engine vehicles or hybrids. And due to supply chain issues, he says, vehicle prices in general have seen a big jumpin the last few years.

Conversations with customers on a budget are "real tough," he says in front of a hybrid at hiseast-end dealership.That's especially true if they're going electric.

The average consumer can't afford these vehicles.- Edgar Faler, senior industry analyst with the Centre for Automotive Research

While prices for all vehicles are up across the board, Godfreyexplainsthat for a fully electric vehicle at his dealership, in mostcases, customers would be looking at prices from $55,000 and up.

Prices of EVscurrently available for purchase in Canada can range from $39,498 to $189,000, according to the Canadian Automobile Association.

Mark Stewart, chief operating officer for Stellantis North America, told CBC"the technology is expensive." He said that on average, an electric vehicle is 40 to 45 per cent more expensive than a classic internal combustion engine powertrain.

According to an October 2022 report from AutoTrader.ca., capturing the third quarter of 2022, the average price of a new vehicle in Canada was $57,519. That's the highest average price ever recorded, according to the report, up 18.5 per cent year-over-year.
According to an October 2022 report from AutoTrader.ca., capturing the third quarter of 2022, the average price of a new vehicle in Canada was $57,519. That's the highest average price ever recorded, according to the report, up 18.5 per cent year-over-year. (CBC)

For those looking for a lower price point, Godfrey says,"We're moving people off of electric vehicles onto either hybridized vehicles or straight up small fuel-efficient gasoline-powered engines."

That's not just because the cost is high. Supply is thin too.Godfrey sayshe probably won't actually get fully electric vehicles at his dealership until 2024, once again citing supply chain issues.

Justin Trudeau speaks with minivan assembly in the background
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau toured the Windsor Assembly Plant this month. (Mike Evans/CBC)

There are long wait lists for electric vehicles across the board, somethingPrime Minister Justin Trudeau acknowledged during a visit to the Windsor Assembly Plant in January.

"We know that the demand is super high," Trudeau said.

"We're going to continue to make sure we're investing in facilities that we've been investing in over the past year and seeing big investments come in to Canada in the zero emission ecosystem to make sure we're able to meet the rising demand and the excitement Canadians have for electric vehicles."

WATCH | James Godfrey describes'tough' conversations he has with people looking to buy vehicles off his lot:

James Godfrey on affordability of cars

2 years ago
Duration 0:44
General Manager of Eastway Toyota in Windsor says conversations with customers on a budget looking for any kind of vehicle, not just electric, can be "real tough."

Are new vehicles becoming out of reach?

Meanwhile, Canadians are already struggling with inflationand higher costs of essentials like groceries and housing. In Windsor-Essex, Statistics Canada data from2021 shows Windsorhas the fifth highest income inequality of all of Canada's major cities.

Windsor-Essex, it shows, has a medium after-tax household income of $73,000, lower than the Ontario median of $79,500. In the City of Windsor, it's $63,600.

It found that 11.3 per cent of Windsor-area households arelow income, compared with the national average of 11.1 per cent.

Recently, the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago hosted the29th Annual Automotive Insights Symposium in Detroit. Panellist Charlie Chesbrough, a senior economist with Cox Automotive pointed out that high vehicle pricesfrom used to electricare putting ownership out of reach for most people.

Electric vehicles, like this Tesla, are usually considered luxury vehicles according to some auto experts.
Electric vehicles, like this Tesla, are usually considered luxury vehicles, according to some auto experts. (Katerina Georgieva/CBC)

"New vehicles were maybe never an every-man product in America. We like to believe that they were, but they probably haven't been for a long time, but certainly they're even less so today," Chesbroughsaid.

He points out that supply chains are improving, but the high costs are not.

He's not convinced there's much incentive for automakersto make the vehicles more affordable and give up the current "seller's market."

Lonnie Smith, president of the U.S.On the Road Lending, said at the symposium that his organization has amission to provide affordable car loans for low- to moderate-income Americans.

Lonnie Smith, president of On the Road Lending in the U.S., spoke at the Automotive insights Symposium Conference in Detroit in mid-January.
Lonnie Smith, president of On the Road Lending in the U.S., spoke at the Automotive insights Symposium Conference in Detroit this month. (CBC)

"Transportation is a significant barrier to low- to moderate-income families having the ability to live their best lives," he said.

"Low-income individuals are impacted disparately more when we talk about the current environment we're in."

WATCH | James Godfrey says even used vehicle prices at his dealership are higher than they used to be:

James Godfrey says even used vehicle prices are higher than before

2 years ago
Duration 0:37
Eastway Toyota's James Godfrey talks CBC's Katerina Georgieva through what individuals on a budget might be looking at if they wanted to buy a vehicle from his dealership.

Government hopes rebates help

Edgar Faler, a senior industry analyst with the Centre for Automotive Research based in Ann Arbor, Mich., saidthe industry will need to find a solution to the affordability problem, especially when it comes to electric vehicles.

"They have to become affordable," he said.

Edgar Faler, a senior industry analyst with the Centre for Automotive Research, says the industry will need to find a way to make electric vehicles more affordable, especially to hit the targets being set out by the Canadian government.
Edgar Faler, a senior industry analyst with the Centre for Automotive Research, says the industry will need to find a way to make electric vehicles more affordable, especially to hit the targets being set out by the Canadian government. (CBC)

"The average consumer can't afford these vehicles, that they're often secondary vehicles in many households and luxury purchases.That will need to change if we're going to hit these you know these aggressivetargets of 100 per cent batteryelectric vehicles by 2035."

Stewartsaysthe more competitive the company is, the more consumers will be able to afford electric vehicles.

The federal government hopes that rebates can help bridge some of the gaps.

Its program, launched in 2019, offers a $5,000 rebate for fully electric vehicles and $2,500 forhybrid vehicles within certain price points. It was expanded last year to include larger vehicles.

In Ontario, Doug Ford's Progressive Conservatives cancelled the electric vehicle rebate program back in 2018 with no intentions to bring subsidies back.

CBC has reached out to the provincial Ministry of Economic Development, Job Creation and Trade to ask what the government is doing to make electric vehicles more affordable, and whether it'sthinking about reimplementingtherebates.

A ministry spokesperson didn't directly answer theaffordability questions, but said that on the matter of EV credits, the government has taken a "different approach." Instead, it's investing to make sureelectric vehicles will be manufactured in Ontario.

The Windsor Assembly Plant is gearing up to soon start assembling electric vehicles, though a specific vehicle has yet to be announced by the company.
The Windsor Assembly Plant is gearing up to soon start assembling electric vehicles, though a specific vehicle has yet to be announced by the company. (Katerina Georgieva/CBC)

In a city that's set to start building electric vehicles and the batteries that go in them in the coming years at the Windsor Assembly Plant and at the new Stellantis-LG electric vehicle battery plant, Unifor Local 444 president David Cassidy is confident that down the road, everybody will have an opportunity to be able to drive an EV.

"They have to make sure that they're focused on the fact that it has to be good for all Canadians."

Godfrey agrees. Hepredicts manufacturers will realize that price points will need to come down.

"We want to be able to sell those vehicles and so we'll find ways to distribute those vehicles to consumers," he says.

"I just hope it's not on these long-term finance contracts that extend out into, instead of, you know, seven or eight years, longer terms than that. I hope we don't turn into a mortgage company onfinance contracts with battery electric vehicles."