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Some Windsor, Ont., high school students sit during O Canada to bring attention to Indigenous issues

Some high school students in Windsor, Ont., are taking a stand on Indigenous issues byremaining seated during playing of the national anthem in the classroom, and the symbolic gesture has spurred debate about whether it's the right thing to do.

Some students question whether sitting during anthem is disrespectful to veterans

Sitting out

3 years ago
Duration 1:18
These students at Walkerville Collegiate are choosing not to stand during the national anthem, find out why.

Some high school students in Windsor, Ont., are taking a stand on Indigenous issues byremaining seated during playing of the national anthem in the classroom.

"A lot of students sit down quietly and are being pulled out of class, and I don't think that's right at all," Grade 11 student Guinevere Mickle said.

"A lot of students aren't comfortable with standing during something that they know the history of Canada and everything with the Indigenous Peoples."

The Greater Essex County District School Board told the CBCthat similar acts have taken placeat Walkerville Collegiate andacouple of other schools in the southwestern Ontario district over the past few months.

Scott Scantlebury, aspokesperson for the public school board, said there has been an increase in the number of students choosing to stay in their seats since Sept. 30, the first National Truth and Reconciliation Day, tohonourthe lost children and survivors of residential schools, their families and communities.

Scantlebury saidthe boardsupports students' voices, andif any students saw being pulled aside for not standing as punitive, it was "certainly not the intent, and if it was perceived that way, we apologize."

Some students at Walkerville Collegiate in Windsor, Ont., are choosing not to stand for the national anthem to bring attention to Indigenous issues. (Kerri Breen/CBC)

"We've been providing more education for those students who maychoose to be sitting and students generally, and why they would, and how to be a real ally" to Indigenous people, he said.

"We really do appreciate their efforts and their passion to be allies, and we want to encourage them to do so, but really from an informed position."

Adrian Klein, a First Nations, Mtis, & Inuit student support worker with Ontario's Greater Essex County District School Board, says he encourages students to continue to learn and find meaningful ways of showing support for Indigenous people. (Submitted by Adrian Klein)

At Walkerville Collegiate, thateducation has been comingfrom Adrian Klein, a First Nations, Mtisand Inuit student support worker for the board who has spoken to about10 classes at the school.

It's good the students are recognizing what was done was wrongand they are willing to support their friends or Indigenous communitiesin general.- Adrian Klein, First Nations, Mtis,Inuit student support worker, Greater Essex County District School Board

"It's good the students are recognizing what was done was wrongand they are willing to support their friends or Indigenous communitiesin general," Klein said, adding he agrees sitting during the anthemcan be seen as a hollow gesture and maybe even not welcomeby some Indigenous students.

Klein said he'sencouraging students to continue to learn and find more meaningful ways of showing support.

"To show that allyship in a genuine way, so it is not just performative. You know, it's not something you're doing because others are doing it, becausethat can take away from the reasons that an Indigenous student would sit."

Anthem move sparks lively debate

The symbolic act of not standing for O Canada has sparked a debate among students. Each one at Walkerville Collegiate makesa personal decision on what to do during the anthem.

"I personally am standing because I also agree with the Indigenous teacher, and I find it as performative activismand we should be talking about the issues," said Riley Thibert, who's in Grade 11.

Gabe Robinsonsaid he's seen a lot of his peers sitting, and with Remembrance Day on Nov. 11, he believes people should be standing.

"They [veterans] fought for this country to keep it safe, so you could be safe here," he said. "They fought for our freedom, so I think it's pretty disrespectful" not to stand.

Grade 12 student Liv Chapados said she moves out of her seat to kneel during the anthem to remember missing andmurdered Indigenous women, and issues around safewater in Indigenous communities.

WATCH | Windsor, Ont., students speak on why they're standing during O Canada

Standing students

3 years ago
Duration 1:13
These students have chosen to stand during the national anthem but have thought through their reasons why.

"We shouldn't stand for a song that's praising our country for doingawful things or something that says it's our land, it's not our landit's stolen land," she said.

Students' views vary

Grade 11 studentHaley Chasesaidthough she doesn't always choose to sit during O Canada, she does sometimes because of injustices she seesin Canada.

"Sitting or kneeling is one thing.It brings awareness because it makes people ask questions. It makes them walk up to you and say, 'Why are you doing this?'"

I don't find anything wrong with it. I do respect the people who do what they choose, but in the end, I'm not going to sit. It's disrespectful to our veterans.- Braxton Van Essen, Grade 11 student, Walkerville Collegiate

Chaseis also on the announcement team, and saidthe expectation is that students should be told to stand during the anthem.

"I haven't said sit or stand.I just play the national anthem. But if I want to sit, I want to sit, and as long as it's not performative," she said. "There is a lot of people just sitting to be lazy or just because they want to go on their phone.That's not right."

Braxton Van Essen is an Indigenous student in Grade 11 who chooses to stand for the anthem.

"I don't find anything wrong with it," he said. "I do respect the people who do what they choose, but in the end, I'm not going to sit. It's disrespectful to our veterans.

"Most of it is just a performance, it's to make a big scene, to draw attention, but that often doesn't work," he added.