Tighten gun laws to get firearms off the streets, Mayor John Tory tells Ottawa summit

Toronto Mayor John Tory continued his campaign Wednesday to get firearmsoff the streets, telling a summit on guns and gang violence in Ottawa thatthe federal governmentneeds to do more to tackle domestic weaponstrafficking.

"Give us the tools to have a fair fight with the bad guys," Tory told the summit.

He said two thirds of the 39 gun homicides in Toronto last year have some connection to gangs, and that just two per cent of those killed "have absolutely no connection" to gangs or the illicit drug trade,"so the number's big."

The summit was convenedto discuss a troubling increase in gun-related incidents and gang activity in Canada, and follows last year's federal government investment of $327.6 million over five years inanti-gun and gang initiatives.

Tory said in the past, 80 per centof illegal guns were smuggled into Canada. Now, he told the summit, thatfigure has dropped to 50 per cent, with the other half already in Canada and part of domesticgun trafficking.

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But Gary Ellis, head of justice studies at the University of Guelph Humber, thinks the distinction between guns smuggled over the border versus guns trafficked in Canada is "really semantics," since the majority of guns are manufactured in the U.S.

"The bottom line is there's way too many guns on the streets," Ellis told CBCToronto.

Police are not engaging with some of the people that are very clearly involved in that gangster lifestyle.- Gary Ellis, former Toronto police superintendent

Though he knows he might be openingan old wound, Ellis said to reduce gun trafficking, police should revisit a concept like carding the controversial practice of street checks that critics believe unfairly targets young black men.

The province brought in rules more than a year ago to restrict carding and is now seeking input from the public so it canreviewpolice procedures to see if the new rules are being followed.

But Ellis, a former Toronto police superintendent, points to parts of the U.S. where there are so-called "stop-and-frisk" laws, with a lower thresholdto investigate based on suspicion.

"Now I am not suggesting that we do that but at this point in sort of the Toronto context," he said, but he believes there is a middle ground.

And while he's acutely aware it's controversial to mention carding, "there is a place for it. Right now I think police are not engaging with some of the people that are very clearly involved in that gangster lifestyle."

In an interview with CBCNews, Tory said there has been "no discussion" of carding at the summit. Instead, he said the focus is looking at gun laws and giving "tools to police as opposed to giving them more power."

Pointing to "holes that exist," Tory said people can buy dozens of guns without indicatingwhy someone would want "dozens of guns."

At one time, he said the system that tracked purchases flagged two firearms in a 30-day period. Whereas now, there's only a "red flag" if six guns are purchased in less than 90 days.

"You can be a person who has the requisite permit, who has had all the requisite background checks and interviews, but can still go and buy dozens of gunsin Canada, legally, without any red flag being shown as to why you would want to buy dozens of guns like that," Tory said.

"I would argue to you forcefully, that's going in the wrong direction."

You can't just arrest your way out of the problem.- Bill Blair, MP for Scarborough Southwest

Last year there were 392 shooting incidents in Toronto, according to police.

"There has to be appropriate interventions," said Bill Blair, the former Toronto police chief who is now the LiberalMP for Scarborough Southwest.

"What we've learned from the past is you can't just arrest your way out of the problem."