California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) slammed Fox News as quite literally bulls**t and misinformation in a new interview.

Nevertheless, Newsom explained to Semafors Max Tani why he still thinks Democrats should appear on the 24/7 doom loop.

Newsom has appeared on Sean Hannity s prime-time show twice this year. Hannity is also hosting a televised debate between Newsom and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) in November.

There are a lot of good folks that are watching, honestly, a lot of persuadable folks, I really believe that, not just the core base, Newsom told Semafor for an article published Monday.

There are a lot of independents still watching Fox. And there are plenty of Democrats still watching Fox, he added. I talk to them all the time, or they bring up as if Im like, Wow, youre watching Fox?

Newsom said in July that he watches Fox News in order to spot talking points in conservative media.

My staff has quite literally tried to have interventions with me about it. They say Im too obsessed with it, but I need to understand it, he told MSNBC s Jen Psaki at the time . I dont want to know what they think I want to see the patterns, and what you see are patterns that emerge.

Read the full Semafor profile here.