WASHINGTON (AP) The House Jan. 6 committee has heard dramatic testimony from former White House aides and others about Donald Trump s relentless efforts to overturn the 2020 election and his encouragement of supporters who stormed the U.S. Capitol bent on achieving his goal. But the big question remains: Was any of it criminal?

Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide in Trumps White House , added fresh urgency to the question Tuesday as she delivered explosive new testimony about Trumps actions before and during the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. She said Trump was informed that there were armed protesters at his morning rally before he stood onstage and told them to fight like hell at the Capitol. Then he argued with his security detail , she said, trying to go with the crowd.

Trumps aides knew there could be legal consequences. Hutchinson said White House Counsel Pat Cipollone told her were going to get charged with every crime imaginable if Trump had gone to the Capitol that day as Congress was certifying President Joe Biden s win. Cipollone said Trump could be exposing himself to obstruction of justice charges or defrauding the electoral count, she said.

On the heels of Hutchinsons public testimony, the House committee on Wednesday issued a subpoena for Cipollone, saying in a letter that while he had provided an informal interview on April 13, his refusal to provide on-the-record testimony made their subpoena necessary.